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February 03, 2004

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Jason Clark

Hi Andrew, what out the component and ingredient of mission, of transforming local community, minsitry to poor, social action, social justice etc?

gareth

thanks andrew. its good to see the emerging church through your eyes.

It seems that when you sit back and 'zoom out' the church appears as a glorious, multicoloured tapestry, woven together by a common source code, but 'packaged' in many different ways (to carry on the linux type analogy).

jen lemen

i second jason's question and eagerly await your answer! how do our theologies (god's kingdom come, for example) inform our expression of being the church?

tkay3

hey andrew, a quick tactical question for you as time permits...You have recently mentioned the use of WiFi in various church settings, what's being done with the technology? Is it guided use or a free-for-all? I can see it being both a great tool and potentially a huge distraction. Thanks.

Tim Bednar

I think this quote from Douglas Ruskoff from his class on Theoretical Perspectives may be helpful in forming any definition of the EC movement:

Ted Nelson's entire reasoning behind Xanadu appears to be predicated on the underlying assumption (notice I'll be using this phrase "underlying assumption" a lot this semester - it's at the heart of my perspective on perspectives) that no single perspective or understanding of anything - scientific or otherwise - will ever be as resolved as the combination of a multiplicity of perspectives of others. He calls it the Rasho-Mon Principles (for the film with three partially true perspectives on the same murder) but it may as well be called the holographic principle, for the way that each piece of holographic plate contains a blurry image of one perspective of the subject of the picture. Putting them all together yields a more resolved perspective of the whole.

But while we have great metaphors for this phenomenon, and even scientific models that support it, we also have to accept that the four-blind-men-feeling-the-elephant understanding of the limits of an individual's perception is, itself, a perspective.

I think the metaphor of Rashomon and holographs are a great way to approach any definition of the EC movement. I think the EC movement is best explained using hypertext--it seems to fizzle as soon as you use linear prose. I think we may be the first church movement best described/analyzed in cyberspace and experienced in meatspace.

alan cross

Andrew,

I am also interested in an answer to Jason and Jen's question concerning ministry to the poor, social justice, the coming of the Kingdom, etc. That issue is probably most closely what I am dealing with. How do we engage the church in all forms with the hurting world? That would truly be an emerging church - emerging from the shadows of Christendom into the glory of God's plan. Thanks for your thoughts - they are extraordinary.

andrew on justice

thanks guys - Jason's question on emerging church and justice/compassion/social action is a good one, and since 3 of you are asking it, Jesus might be in the midst of the question.
I was thinking about it yesterday after reading jason's question, and i cant see a whole lot of difference between compassion ministry to the poor coming from emerging, traditional or modern ministries. When i have served in soup kitchens, assisted with street ministry, etc, i found myself on teams comprising of people from all kinds of churches. Perhaps this element of mission and compassion provides a place for us all to meet on equal footing.
perhaps one difference. emerging churches may end up adding a more relational touch to urban ministry to the poor. I say this because we were more relational and empowering in our ministries - We turned a feeding program into a free supermarket in san francisco, giving dignity and empowerment back to the people.
Also our work with drug addicts, and the homes we sent the hard cases to were set up on a more relational, home based setting, and we hardly ever used the clinical institutional centers.
But apart from that, i dont think emerging church is dramatically changing the landscape of how God's people have loved and served the poor for hundreds of years, and therefore i did not choose to add it to the distinctives of emerging church.
Can you guys see any radical differences?????

gwill

I hope the difference is in emphasis. Most modern expressions of church (in my experience) try to add mission and ministry on as the final piece in the process of maturing. I see emerging expressions inverting this process - beginning with missional practices as a nonnegotional core of self-identity and actually, in turn, allowing mission to be a form of evangelism ("entry into church") for others. Mission Evangelism in addition or instead of Worship Evangelism. Maybe this isn't a radical difference, but it seems to take the Kingdom rhetoric more seriously.

Len Hjalmarson

And what about the necessity of blank spaces?

When we fill a space too full.. with words, in a gathering.. with definition in a discussion.. or with activity as an expression of mission... we lose something essential.. mystery, spontaneity, expectancy... This is why TS Eliots couplet is so stunning..

Where shall the word
be found, where shall the word
resound? Not here..
there is not enough silence.

But as an analogy, scientists looking at the smallest particles have pondered where the power comes from.. and some speculate that the power is in the blank spaces... As the emerging church, we need to honor emptiness.

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