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October 05, 2006

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Brilliant. Simply brilliant. I laughed so much my coffee almost spilt -- which would make me a pagan, in my house.

Hmmmmmmmm, that first picture sure looks like me 40 years ago, and other than the hair (and a few extra pounds), not much has changed.

"It's the deeds, not the creeds, dude."

Oh how we missed you. This was great.

Excellent! Is the pentangle a Lifeshape?

Andrew, I love it!!

You said - "It's very possible that when God turned up for his first appointment with humans, he would have worn something appropriate for that meeting..."

Well, we don't know what God was wearing, but we do know what the humans were wearing, or not wearing as the case may be. Since that is the first time they recognized their nakedness, is it stretching scripture to suggest that flesh tones were 'in' prior to the Fall?

When I was reading this, I decided I was going to leave a one word comment: Brilliant. But, then RobbyMac took it, so I don't have a word. Oh well. Seriously, one thing that I love about you is your ability to see beyond the cultural trappings that keep us from understanding Scripture. You're absolutely right, and it's right there in front of us (the Pagan thing about dress in Matthew), but we completely miss it because it does not fit with our view of what "pagan" is. I'm preaching on having a Kingdom perspective on giving in a few weeks (Philippian 4), and, while not trying to copy you, I must say that you just heavily influenced my thinking. Thanks, Andrew. Glad you're back!

nice to be back, alan

and ted, i was thinking that adam was naked until God made him some clothing from killing a beast - which may be a theological foundation for leather jackets?

Fonzie anyone???????

Andrew, great post, got me thinking. I have for a long time associated the way we enter the sanctuary for worship with our view of God -- if we view God as a Ruler/Judge then we dress formally as if coming before the President/Queen, and we come in silence out of respect. If we primarily view God as Father/Shepherd, we seem to have a more "come as you are" approach, and we tend to enter as a joyful family in reunion.

Just some thoughts I've had which you stirred up again. While I thank you, my wife most certainly does not (having to have heard me pontificate about these things all day!).

Thanks,

Ish

AAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!

Hilarious post! Gentle, but scathingly subversive. It points out yet another example of how the church adopts the practices of the culture around it (dressing "up"), and then sacralizes those practices as though there were something inherently Christian about them.

I would echo Alan, too, in saying that I'd never applied the pagans worrying about what they're going to wear passage with dressing up for church. Even with the best of intentions, we can still be blinded by culture! Thanks.

Andrew,

Great post. I think you proved your point well my friend. I think I will give my suits away to charity.

Blessings,

Ed

give them to me, ed, and i will have the trousers lengthened.

see you are the next missions conference . . . in our suits.

YEAH BUDDY! That is the best post I've read in a long time.

Your writing style is pretty sly.

Yay. Thanks for this.

I can hardly wait to read your post when of your lovely daughters comes home baring more skin than Daddy approves of and make-up that implies she's a kind of girl she's really not. What might be even worse would be one of your children developing a taste for law and having to wear a business suit every day to the office. What do you say then? You sound suspiciously like the old line Assembly of God types with their rules and regulations about dress. Different rules of course, but rules none-the-less.

Happy parenting.

I don't understand melody. Could you perhaps peel away some of the tone and explain? I'm curious as to how you see Andrew's somewhat tongue in cheek post as laying down any sort of law...on either side. Wasn't that the whole point? that there is no "law"? Or am I missing something?

Makeesha, of course there is no law. (Except Daddy's).

I was trying to understand your comment Melody. I think I'm still missing your point

What would I wear to meet God?

i'm trying to figure out what to wear for Judgment day. What if I f*ck it up and wear something that annoys God?

If I dress down will he see through my ridiculous attempt at piety?

I don't think much about what I wear from day to day. But Judgment Day, that's the day I don't want to screw it up.

I suspect that on JD we'll all end up naked and stripped, with only the grace of Jesus covering us up. And then he'll drape us with that dazzling banner of his love like a wedding gown of light.

Judgment Day will magically become a Wedding Day.

ahhhh . .. melody ... its called humor. there is not really a "POINT". just making fun of myself.

I can't believe that we're still having these conversations, even in tongue in cheek, let's face it most people if they are anything like me dress to make a point in a particular environment - from i wanna be different but the same teendom, to trying to retain something slightly more dignified (well won't get me fired, us accountants have clients with expectations dontchaknow, apparently scruffy might worry them that i'll treat their accounts in the same way ;)but still desperately youthful, lol. We live in an image obsessed and obsessive culture where we don't wanna care what we wear as long as we still get seen and admired - or at least not ridiculed, lol. I think it's no longer what we wear or how we wear it but why we wear what we really wear what we wear and how it reveals something of the nakedness and neediness of our souls - well ok my soul...

Andrew, I know that your were making fun of yourself. But there is a strong undercurrent in this conversation that people who wear suits are unspiritual, greedy capitalists and that people who wear anything else are not. Whether you are willing to admit it or not, there is just as much judgementalism (as Benjamin implies with his comment that you are,"scathingly subversive") on the emerging side of the equation as there is on the other side.
My point about how teenage daughters dress is that there really are boundaries to physically appearing Christ-like. As a schoolteacher, I am very careful of how I dress and the impression I give my public high school students. They notice everything I wear, what kind of words escape my mouth and what my attitude is. If any of those are not Christ-like then my witness is compromised.

I'm with Melody here.

I don't agree with the commentor that formal = judging (judgemental?)/respectful and informal/casual = family/loving. IMO, God is not just my "friend" with Whom I can "be myself" but He is my savior who laid down His life and the King of the universe who expects much of me so I dress as such.

There are just as many places in the Bible that applaud wearing fine raiment in the presence of the King as there are disparaging ones. Context is all important. Let's not reverse James 2 and fawn all over the dude in the ripped jeans while dismissing the the guy in the Armani suit.

The core message that I heard was, don't get distracted by the things of the world that are of lesser importance. If you feel in your heart that it's an honor to God to dress in your "sunday best" when in church, then by all means, do so. If you think dyeing your hair bright pink or piercing yourself or getting a tattoo or wearing a shirt that shows a little cleavage is a dishonor to God, then by all means, don't do those things. But don't put the burden of a new law on people and let's keep the main thing the main thing.

I think Beth, that your comment and Melody's are a perfect example of taking something to the n'th degree, a degree God didn't intend. By reading too much into Andrew's post and by going so far as to refer to the Old Covenant priestly garments to make your point, you're demonstrating the exact kind of attitude that gives too much attention and takes too seriously the clothes that one wears.

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