Sometimes I dress like a pagan.
I don't wear a pentagram, like this stereotypically GenX pagan from totl
I often dress casually, but thats not necessarily pagan.
The question of what Jesus would wear has been chewed over in many emerging church circles, but no absolute certainty has been achieved. We do know he was given his one-piece garment and it was a QUALITY item, fought over at his death.
Last week I went to church with holes in my jeans. Someone (not a church goer) commented that in her day, people “dressed up” for church. I asked her whether she was assuming that God was always formal in His dress preference. It's very possible that when God turned up for his first appointment with humans, he would have worn something appropriate for that meeting. And since the meeting took place in a lush and verdant garden, He was probably NOT dressed in a suit. Maybe he was dressed like a farmer?
A good description of “pagan” in found in the Bible.
Jesus said “And why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you—you of little faith? So do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?' For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.” Matthew 6:28-35
[Chip Bell has some excellent thoughts on Kingdom Economy as he tackles these verses]
It seems that worrying over fashion, and running after the money to buy it, is a pagan activity. But the question remains:
How do pagans DRESS while they are running after such things as what to eat or drink (are restaurants the new temples?) or going shopping for clothes (are shopping malls the new temples?), or just dressing for success and financial security?
Hollywood gives us some fashion clues . . .
Gordon Gecko (Michael Douglas) from the movie WallStreet models the kind of clothing that greedy pagans wear when they are running after such things as wealth, success and financial security. Gecko gives give fashion tips to Bud Fox (Charlie Sheen) on how to dress for success.
LOVE THAT TIE!!!! Now there's a real pagan!
The Devils Advocate is another revealing movie about greed and pagan dress codes.
In the movie, Lucifer incarnate (Al Pacino) helps his protege to climb the ladder of success and look good doing it - despite risking his soul in the process.
Sharp suits!!!!!
A more recent movie suggests the the devil wears Prada.
Ahhh . . mmmmmm . . . .
But there are times when I also dress like a pagan and other times when i just wear what i feel like.
What would I wear to meet God?
Something appropriate, I would hope.
Like, if God was meeting me on the golf course, I would probably dress like this:
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and I assume that God would be appropriately attired also.
A site named Slice of Laodicea had a recent post on pagan dress and blue mohawks, like those found in those “emergent” churches. In case you were wondering, my son's blue mohawk has been replaced with a basic hairstyle - yes, its red - but its very simple.
Nothing pagan about dying your hair - otherwise half the senior citizens in my old church need to repent!
But I tend to differ on how pagans dress. And sometimes I dress like a pagan. . .. . . when i attend traditional
Christian churches that insist i dress like a pagan or Christian conferences . .
Wait a minute . . . where's my pagan tie?
But God understands. And although people look at the outward appearance, God looks at the heart. Thats why its good to fear God and a trap to fear the opinions of people.





Brilliant. Simply brilliant. I laughed so much my coffee almost spilt -- which would make me a pagan, in my house.
Posted by: robbymac | October 04, 2006 at 04:07 PM
Hmmmmmmmm, that first picture sure looks like me 40 years ago, and other than the hair (and a few extra pounds), not much has changed.
"It's the deeds, not the creeds, dude."
Posted by: blind beggar | October 04, 2006 at 07:25 PM
Oh how we missed you. This was great.
Posted by: Joe Kennedy | October 04, 2006 at 09:15 PM
Excellent! Is the pentangle a Lifeshape?
Posted by: David | October 05, 2006 at 02:40 PM
Andrew, I love it!!
You said - "It's very possible that when God turned up for his first appointment with humans, he would have worn something appropriate for that meeting..."
Well, we don't know what God was wearing, but we do know what the humans were wearing, or not wearing as the case may be. Since that is the first time they recognized their nakedness, is it stretching scripture to suggest that flesh tones were 'in' prior to the Fall?
Posted by: Ted | October 05, 2006 at 02:55 PM
When I was reading this, I decided I was going to leave a one word comment: Brilliant. But, then RobbyMac took it, so I don't have a word. Oh well. Seriously, one thing that I love about you is your ability to see beyond the cultural trappings that keep us from understanding Scripture. You're absolutely right, and it's right there in front of us (the Pagan thing about dress in Matthew), but we completely miss it because it does not fit with our view of what "pagan" is. I'm preaching on having a Kingdom perspective on giving in a few weeks (Philippian 4), and, while not trying to copy you, I must say that you just heavily influenced my thinking. Thanks, Andrew. Glad you're back!
Posted by: Alan Cross | October 05, 2006 at 03:05 PM
nice to be back, alan
and ted, i was thinking that adam was naked until God made him some clothing from killing a beast - which may be a theological foundation for leather jackets?
Fonzie anyone???????
Posted by: andrew (tallskinnykiwi) | October 05, 2006 at 05:00 PM
Andrew, great post, got me thinking. I have for a long time associated the way we enter the sanctuary for worship with our view of God -- if we view God as a Ruler/Judge then we dress formally as if coming before the President/Queen, and we come in silence out of respect. If we primarily view God as Father/Shepherd, we seem to have a more "come as you are" approach, and we tend to enter as a joyful family in reunion.
Just some thoughts I've had which you stirred up again. While I thank you, my wife most certainly does not (having to have heard me pontificate about these things all day!).
Thanks,
Ish
Posted by: Ish Engle | October 05, 2006 at 09:37 PM
AAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!
Posted by: Ted | October 06, 2006 at 02:45 AM
Hilarious post! Gentle, but scathingly subversive. It points out yet another example of how the church adopts the practices of the culture around it (dressing "up"), and then sacralizes those practices as though there were something inherently Christian about them.
I would echo Alan, too, in saying that I'd never applied the pagans worrying about what they're going to wear passage with dressing up for church. Even with the best of intentions, we can still be blinded by culture! Thanks.
Posted by: Benjamin Sternke | October 06, 2006 at 02:41 PM
Andrew,
Great post. I think you proved your point well my friend. I think I will give my suits away to charity.
Blessings,
Ed
Posted by: Ed Pruitt | October 07, 2006 at 06:12 AM
give them to me, ed, and i will have the trousers lengthened.
see you are the next missions conference . . . in our suits.
Posted by: andrew | October 07, 2006 at 08:32 AM
YEAH BUDDY! That is the best post I've read in a long time.
Posted by: Makeesha | October 08, 2006 at 11:59 PM
Your writing style is pretty sly.
Posted by: h sofia | October 09, 2006 at 09:30 PM
Yay. Thanks for this.
Posted by: Hugo Schwyzer | October 10, 2006 at 01:10 AM
I can hardly wait to read your post when of your lovely daughters comes home baring more skin than Daddy approves of and make-up that implies she's a kind of girl she's really not. What might be even worse would be one of your children developing a taste for law and having to wear a business suit every day to the office. What do you say then? You sound suspiciously like the old line Assembly of God types with their rules and regulations about dress. Different rules of course, but rules none-the-less.
Happy parenting.
Posted by: Melody | October 10, 2006 at 03:16 AM
I don't understand melody. Could you perhaps peel away some of the tone and explain? I'm curious as to how you see Andrew's somewhat tongue in cheek post as laying down any sort of law...on either side. Wasn't that the whole point? that there is no "law"? Or am I missing something?
Posted by: Makeesha | October 10, 2006 at 03:27 AM
Makeesha, of course there is no law. (Except Daddy's).
Posted by: Melody | October 10, 2006 at 05:22 AM
I was trying to understand your comment Melody. I think I'm still missing your point
Posted by: Makeesha | October 10, 2006 at 05:40 AM
What would I wear to meet God?
i'm trying to figure out what to wear for Judgment day. What if I f*ck it up and wear something that annoys God?
If I dress down will he see through my ridiculous attempt at piety?
I don't think much about what I wear from day to day. But Judgment Day, that's the day I don't want to screw it up.
I suspect that on JD we'll all end up naked and stripped, with only the grace of Jesus covering us up. And then he'll drape us with that dazzling banner of his love like a wedding gown of light.
Judgment Day will magically become a Wedding Day.
Posted by: Pam Hogeweide | October 10, 2006 at 07:31 AM
ahhhh . .. melody ... its called humor. there is not really a "POINT". just making fun of myself.
Posted by: andrew | October 10, 2006 at 09:59 AM
I can't believe that we're still having these conversations, even in tongue in cheek, let's face it most people if they are anything like me dress to make a point in a particular environment - from i wanna be different but the same teendom, to trying to retain something slightly more dignified (well won't get me fired, us accountants have clients with expectations dontchaknow, apparently scruffy might worry them that i'll treat their accounts in the same way ;)but still desperately youthful, lol. We live in an image obsessed and obsessive culture where we don't wanna care what we wear as long as we still get seen and admired - or at least not ridiculed, lol. I think it's no longer what we wear or how we wear it but why we wear what we really wear what we wear and how it reveals something of the nakedness and neediness of our souls - well ok my soul...
Posted by: Paul | October 10, 2006 at 12:30 PM
Andrew, I know that your were making fun of yourself. But there is a strong undercurrent in this conversation that people who wear suits are unspiritual, greedy capitalists and that people who wear anything else are not. Whether you are willing to admit it or not, there is just as much judgementalism (as Benjamin implies with his comment that you are,"scathingly subversive") on the emerging side of the equation as there is on the other side.
My point about how teenage daughters dress is that there really are boundaries to physically appearing Christ-like. As a schoolteacher, I am very careful of how I dress and the impression I give my public high school students. They notice everything I wear, what kind of words escape my mouth and what my attitude is. If any of those are not Christ-like then my witness is compromised.
Posted by: Melody | October 10, 2006 at 01:59 PM
I'm with Melody here.
I don't agree with the commentor that formal = judging (judgemental?)/respectful and informal/casual = family/loving. IMO, God is not just my "friend" with Whom I can "be myself" but He is my savior who laid down His life and the King of the universe who expects much of me so I dress as such.
There are just as many places in the Bible that applaud wearing fine raiment in the presence of the King as there are disparaging ones. Context is all important. Let's not reverse James 2 and fawn all over the dude in the ripped jeans while dismissing the the guy in the Armani suit.
Posted by: Elzabet | October 10, 2006 at 07:03 PM
The core message that I heard was, don't get distracted by the things of the world that are of lesser importance. If you feel in your heart that it's an honor to God to dress in your "sunday best" when in church, then by all means, do so. If you think dyeing your hair bright pink or piercing yourself or getting a tattoo or wearing a shirt that shows a little cleavage is a dishonor to God, then by all means, don't do those things. But don't put the burden of a new law on people and let's keep the main thing the main thing.
I think Beth, that your comment and Melody's are a perfect example of taking something to the n'th degree, a degree God didn't intend. By reading too much into Andrew's post and by going so far as to refer to the Old Covenant priestly garments to make your point, you're demonstrating the exact kind of attitude that gives too much attention and takes too seriously the clothes that one wears.
Posted by: Makeesha | October 10, 2006 at 07:27 PM