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June 09, 2007

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Mike

Andrew,

Great write up. This book looks awesome. I will grab a copy. thanks

David Fitch

Andrew,
Great to hear of this book. And I shall surely order it quickly. I think the "ancient future evangelical call" of Bob Webber (who has since passed away)has similar themes. D.H. Williams has particpated in this as well. In fact, in the opening AEF Conference at my own institution (Northern Seminary, Chicago area) last December, Brian McLaren delivered the opening address calling the emerging church to a "deep ecclessiology." Excellent convergences taking place.

Peace.

Jeff

What I wouldn't give for a plane ticket and a seat at the Deep Church Lecture series! Very interested in the two books. Thanks for the review and exhortation.

Steve Hayes

First emerging church, now deep church. Back in the 1960s The Catonsville Roadrunner announced that the submarine church was surfacing. Time to dive again!

Lornal

what Jeff said re the plane ticket :)

Brother Tadhg

Hi
I've just finished reading 'The Gospel According To Starbucks', 'Velvet Elvis', 'The McDonaldization Of The Church' and 'Organic Church' and all of them are great books. I'm reading 'Rembering Our Future...' now. I'm about 1/5 of the way through and can't put it down. It's as good as those other books (if not better!). Will add more to this comments section when I've finished it. Cool.
Brother Tahg

Brother Tadhg

Hi
I've just finished reading 'The Gospel According To Starbucks', 'Velvet Elvis', 'The McDonaldization Of The Church' and 'Organic Church' and all of them are great books. I'm reading 'Rembering Our Future...' now. I'm about 1/5 of the way through and can't put it down. It's as good as those other books (if not better!). Will add more to this comments section when I've finished it. Cool.
Brother Tahg

Paul

Thanks for the plug Andrew :)

People might find this helpful as a short intro to what is deep church/ecclesiology...

http://paulmayers.blogs.com/my_weblog/2007/05/what_is_deep_ch.html

I wrote about Luke Bretherton's chapter here, as part of a 3 part opus

http://paulmayers.blogs.com/my_weblog/2007/05/emerging_from_w.html

Nathan C.

i don't know if this a-historicism is a feature of the emerging church as a whole. Is the pentecostal birth stream hypothesis something that is unique to the UK/European emerging experience?

I see the new monastic stream as being a caretaker of historic christian spirituality.

I will def. be interested in reading this book.

andrew

no - nothing is a feature of the whole - its far too complex and international for that.

but for UK and USA it often rings true.

good to see EC leaders buck the trend like Dan Kimball going back to Nicene Creed.

Mark

"In the UK, the emerging church was spawned from the charasmatic tradition"... I'm not sure I'd agree with that, or at least it is a huge simplification... if one where to simplify the "emergence" of "The emerging church" in the UK, then for me, Youth Ministry, Greenbelt and Alt.Worship would figure higher up the list than the charismatic tradition.

I agree with Nathan C that the current explorations of EC/Missional Communities/new-monastic communities are anything but a-historical, rather they have been and continue to delve deep into Christian tradition - from Celtic to Otrhodox etc. and many of us have never been Pentecostal. One only has to look at the vast number of comments on the UK Emerging Church leaders/communities network site about the place of Ordination and the meaning of Preisthood to see that many of the communities do, as you suggest share more of a sense of connection (however thin) with the Anglical/Episcopal traditions... to say nothing of contemplative and mystical spirituality... and... Emerging churches in the UK are forever writing creeds and liturgies!!!

I haven't read the book, but if it does reflect your summary then I don't recognise the picture painted of the EC in the UK as being an accurate one for a large percentage of the communities and the conversation.

len hjalmarson

I have a feeling this book will be hard to find in Canada and the US..

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