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May 03, 2008

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Thanks for the link, Andrew - didn't know you tracked Future Church! Reg is quite well-known in South Africa and his article is excellent. The emerging church conversation is generating a lot of conversation among Baptists here, with some people very against *all* of it ("it" being mostly the US Emergent Village guys) and others, while still sitting with the Baptist tradition, are saying good things.

Graeme also had an article of his posted at Sojourners recently, comparing some of the current situation with the US to Apartheid South Africa.

interesting. i will take a look. i remember our visit together in south africa quite fondly. i look forward to seeing you again this side of the world.

I'm not aware of anything unlikeable about Shane Claiborne ;)

I suspect there might be a wider questioning of penal substitutionary atonement and doctrines of hell though - so if Carson said that I'd say he is probably accurate. Of course, you know more about the mood of EC than I do Andrew, but that is my gut feeling.

Its been established that Carson should not have roped in Steve Chalke - even Steve denys being part of the emerging church.

however, there has been discussion over penal substitution both in and out of the emerging church over the dominant place of this doctrine compared to other redemption theories.

Scot McKnight has a good book "A community called Atonement" on the subject in which he says penal sub. is one of the clubs we might pullout to explain the substitutionary atonement of Christ (which of course we believe in) but there are other clubs that might be more appropriate in the right circumstances.

And yes, Shane C. is a nice guy and I enjoy hooking up with him on occasion.

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