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brad

Oooh, Pop Jones! Actually not so half-baked as you may think. Like it as a discussion starter, cool that it has a built-in time frame (though sustainability in four might be as crazy as what silly denominations try to get church plants to do - sustain in 2 or 3 cuz we're cutting your funding then!] and think of all the fun we can with the 4 x 4 elements. For instance:

Sent Fo[u]rth has you in the middle ...

What you can do without sleep, I can do without coffee! Speaking of which (coffee, not sleep), time for The Daily Commute to create some coffee ...

Cheers, bro!

andrew

thanks brad

U make a difference!

or as Andy McDowell says, U are worth it!

Marc

I like the 4 in no 3, Andrew. Good thinking direction.

Jamie Arpin-Ricci

This is excellent. This is the direction we want The Dusty Cover to go in. Your articulation helps flesh out a little of what we could not. Thanks!

Peace,
Jamie

Andy

I drive a 4x4 - does that count?

Seriously - I read the article on CMS - intriguing stuff. Where did you ever find those sources?

andrew

on my bookshelf. i collect old mission books. ok . .. i'm a GEEK!

rudy

I would re-order bottom lines, and add one:

1. spiritually renewed
2. economically self-sustainable
3. socially transformative "for the least of these"
4. CIVICALLY involved (in the civic, public square)
5. environmentally responsible

Since we are laying awake with visions of re-hashed Venn diagrams in our heads...

Cathryn Thomas

I'm hoping i don't have to do 4 coats of paint in the kitchen, but i'm ragging the cabinets- and after that the deep house cleaning to get things ready- so i'll be doing a moving meditation on your wee hour posting. Some of the best ideas are in the twilight - keep a journal by your bed for quickie notes and dream revelations-

Ok, back to painting and cleaning! - with the added tossing ponder!

xocat

Cathryn Thomas

Oh- the number 4 in Hebrew =
DALETH (DOOR): The archetype of physical existence. The conceptual planned prototype of physical existence. “I am the door. whoever enters through me will be saved.”
Thought you might find that interesting.!!!
shalom K8

becky

If this is you when you're half baked, then you must be truly mind blowing when fully cooked.

andrew

rudy - good suggestion on being involved with civic

but the quadruple bottom line (is already a known entity in this conversation - the typical 3 measurable outcomes in social accounting - financial, social and environmental - and we are adding a fourth, that of the spiritual.

i probably wouldnt add a fifth bottom line at this point.

Emily

I like this idea. Not sure if I really know what it all means, but I like it.

Marty Richards

Hi
am involved in a social enterprise experiment here in Brisbane - that you could describe as fourth sector. Its taken us five years to build a cluster of 3 small social enterprises.
my background is in faith based community development and I'm keen to connect with others that are actively involved in cooperative enterprise / social enterprise etc.
Marty

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